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2x15 - Mr. Sandman
March 22th 2013, 9:00PM - 10:00PM EST

NICK MUST FACE A NEW WESEN THAT LEAVES HIS VICTIMS BLIND -- When a mysterious case of sudden blindness causes a woman’s death, Nick (David Giuntoli) and Hank (Russell Hornsby) come across a disturbing Wesen that feeds off its victim’s tears. Meanwhile, Adalind (Claire Coffee) contemplates the significance of her new situation, while Juliette (Bitsie Tulloch) continues to work with Rosalee (Bree Turner) in an effort to fix her memory. Silas Weir Mitchell, Sasha Roiz and Reggie Lee also star.
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Liliaeth: R exhumeliliaeth on March 23rd, 2013 07:43 am (UTC)
I love that people on this show actually talk to one another.

Also, awesome to see that Nick gets a sort of superpower.
I Am Not Herbert!: TOS: By the laws of our people.katiemariie on March 23rd, 2013 09:03 am (UTC)
Seeing the whole gang eat dinner at Monroe's made me so happy. And having all four of them work together on a case was awesome. I'm glad that Hank is taking some of the wesen ass-kicking responsibility off Monroe; I don't think it's good for the wieder lifestyle for him to be tearing people's arms off on the regular.

Always good to see the Portland ME! Love her.
virgo_79: icon by geekcreativevirgo_79 on March 23rd, 2013 11:32 am (UTC)
I'm on the other side with Monroe: I don't like that the writers seem to have forgotten that this guy spent a considerable portion of his life a stone-cold killer. I don't care for the toothless, goofball version of Monroe they're giving us this season. I much preferred the Monroe of S1, who was funny, quirky, and dorky, but who would also have moments that reminded you just how dangerous he really was. I'm actually very frustrated with how they're portraying Monroe this year.

virgo_79: icon by geekcreativevirgo_79 on March 23rd, 2013 12:07 pm (UTC)
This one was just okay for me. I thought it was better than last week's, and it had a few points I liked, but there were also a lot of things that bugged me. (No pun intended.)

The good for me included the advancement of Juliette's memory restoring itself; I'm glad that that's moving along steadily. I also liked seeing that the poor woman *finally* got some support, in the form of Rosalee.( But I would have liked to see that scene go on a little further, and Rosalee actually lay some groundwork for making Juliette understand things.)

I also liked the whole idea of Nick's other senses getting a jump-start from his crisis; that was cool. And they finally had a nicely-choreographed and filmed fight scene in this one.

I liked the scene with Adalind and the older Hexenbeist. I'm very intrigued by that storyline.

Nick and Monroe training again, if only for a few moments.

Also: minimal Renard this week. That was of the good.

The bad, or the lacking, anyway, included everything else. The creature was ridiculous looking (though I did like the way he moved, and in human form, he was hot); I really wish they'd lay off the CGI a bit and do some more makeup work on this show. The police/procedural side of this one was more of a wreck than usual; among other things, I would love to know how Nick not going to the hospital, being miraculously cured, and the suspect missing an eye would be explained.

No mention of Juliette's "hallucinations" to Nick, and no lead-in to telling her anything approaching the truth. And further conveniently-timed cutaways and general avoidance of meaningful conversations with Juliette about what's going on. It's felt contrived for a long time, and it doesn't reflect all that well on Nick, Monroe, and Rosalee. The bottom line is, there is no valid reason anymore for these people to withhold the truth from Juliette, and every episode that goes by with no one trying makes the writing look more and more contrived, and the people who are supposed to be the heroes look more and more like callous a**holes.

Hank. I've tried to get into his character, I've tried to see what others see in the role and the actor, and I've waited and hoped that he would be shown to have a meaningful role following his initiation into all things Grimm, but it's not happening. The only episode I ever saw Hank given a well-defined purpose in was "To Protect and Serve Man." That one gave me hope that the show had finally figured out what to do with Hank, but unfortunately, that momentum wasn't maintained. Worse yet, he wasn't even good at his job as a cop in this one, making assumptions about Andre leaving the house that endangered Nick, Rosalee, and the victim's sister, and then leaving a civilian unprotected downstairs. Fortunately she ended up on the right side of the knife (and yay, guest actress; nice stabbing!), but that could have gone very differently. This tends to be one of those things the show doesn't focus on much, but when you go back to the beginning of the series and follow Hank's job performance, it is mind-boggling that this guy still has a career.

So, all in all...I thought it was an okay episode, but not great.
rodlox: elementaryrodlox on March 23rd, 2013 07:33 pm (UTC)
>other senses getting a jump-start from his crisis; that was cool.
it did offer a glimpse into how his mom got so agile and supersensy.
Corvus cornix: corvus cornixfourth_moon on June 3rd, 2013 12:38 am (UTC)
> The good for me included the advancement of Juliette's memory restoring itself; I'm glad that that's moving along steadily. I also liked seeing that the poor woman *finally* got some support, in the form of Rosalee.( But I would have liked to see that scene go on a little further


_So_ much Word on that. It seems to me that the entire season 2 so far has the running theme of Juliette trying to hang on to her sanity in the face of amnesia, living with a total stranger/long-term boyfriend, feeling guilty for not remembering Nick, having feelings for Renard, feeling guilty for having feelings for Renard, ...

And she openly asked Nick and Monroe for help and they both just wimped out with that ('xcuse me) limp-dick "oh noes we can't tell her" routine. Monroe, I love you, but you and Nick need some therapeutic kicks against the head. If this goes on I'll end up writing some fanfic where Renard finally lets Juliette in on the truth and she shags him seven ways to Sunday out of pure joy, relief and Zaubertrank-induced lust. Take that, Nick.



> I liked the scene with Adalind and the older Hexenbeist.

Same here. The Hexenbiests we've seen so far seem to be very "Planet of Hats" - cold, clever, manipulative, ruthless, elegant, sexy in a run-of-the-mill way, bottle-blond. I liked seeing the touches of loyalty and compassion there; they were both still typical Hexenbiests, but that wasn't all they were.


> The creature was ridiculous looking (though I did like the way he moved, and in human form, he was hot); I really wish they'd lay off the CGI a bit and do some more makeup work on this show. The police/procedural side of this one was more of a wreck than usual

And no sign of improvement in sight. If I may refer to later eps, the Fuchsteufelswild (German for really, really angry) looked like a cheap Halloween mask. The writing struck me as shoddy compared to the first season, background to the Wesen (type, culture, an insight into what makes them tick) was absent, and that scene with Sergeant Wu clinging to the fire ladder was a sorry joke and drawn out way too long.


> Hank ... Fortunately she ended up on the right side of the knife (and yay, guest actress; nice stabbing!), but that could have gone very differently.

I really liked that guest actress, and the character, too. A woman successfully fighting off an attacker is a far too rare sight in crime fiction, so I enjoyed every moment of it. Clever enough to cover her eyes and to use her fear to kick that creep away - go you!

Hank - yep, "To Serve and Protect" really gave him some good character development. Right now he seems to be suffering from no time for further development due to 4 or 5 other plot strands to follow. Annoying, especially since he's the one token Afro-American on the show. Still, the unresolved situation with Juliette is even worse.

I actually like Renard, as a whole. He seems very much a grey&grey morality type of person (interesting and certainly fits his background), it's interesting to see someone so self-controlled slowly unravel under that spell, he seems genuinely concerned for Juliette and tries to resolve the situation for both of them, and even when under a spell, pistol-whipped by Juliette and beaten up by Nick, he still kept his eyes on his long-term goals instead of loosing his self-control. Respect to that.

Also, he's a good provider of (near) shirt-less scenes, and since Nick is becoming way to dickish to be attractive, that's a welcome thing.
rodlox: elementaryrodlox on March 23rd, 2013 07:30 pm (UTC)
* wonder whose nightmare that was. {Renard and hexenbiest!Juliette}
:)

* we know Mellifers can go from human-sized to bee-sized; can this new wesen become fly-sized?

* are the nematodes the larval form here, or are they a separate wesen? or are their growth rate a result of association with this wesen?

* "By the way, I was with Juliette last night" is probably high on the list of 'Things Nick does not wanna hear from anyone'.
(the concern's good, though)

* oh, Nick's turning into The Sentinal.

* "You don't know what he sounds like - I do." You know what he sounds like when he's speeding around a room, Nick.

* Hank and Monroe work together great!
(sadly, they have to miss the opportunity to kick butt, because its Nick's tv show)

* with a dull spoon. used to be, that was just a threat...and aimed elsewhere.

* could The Ghost be a time traveler? {Nick hasn't used a flashlight in his own house, after all}



PREVIEW: AERYN SUN!!!!!!!!!!
Hyn: amy parkerhyndara71 on March 23rd, 2013 09:44 pm (UTC)
Seriously? I love this episode - well, mostly ;).
As I always tend to come with the negative things first, here are my critic-points:
- Hank. I liked the dinner-scene. It was cute the complete TeamGrimm all together at Monroe's. But later Hank became a prompter for *superhearing* Nick. True, his guess was wrong about that Fly-Wesen. But why he ran out in the backyard after Monroe told him that he haven't seen that guy?
- I have to say ... my personal opinion here! No offense, please ... Nick's superhearing came a little too fast for me. It wasn't only David's acting (here we come!), this sense or whatever came to fast and Nick accepted it also too fast. Heck, he lost his sight! True, everyone ever played with blindfolding knows the hearing is getting a bit better, also the sense of smelling. But for those who are blind the very first time this is confusing. Nick accepted it ways too fast - and not only him! Also the others. I'd expected somewhat more from Monroe, but there was nothing.
- this is the first time after the fight with Kimura that I couldn't stand David's acting - in one scene: at the end. This Jedi-Grimm-Thing with Monroe and him in the woods again, training this new skill. I cannot completely explain WHAT I mean but ... Nick felt like Nick for me in that scene, only that smile at the end of the episode, that was Nick again. The rest of the smashing veggies ... nope. It has nothing to do with Nick becoming more Grimm - right now he's less Grimm than the rest of the season. It's something else. Go, rewatch that scene and tell me, I'm wrong.
- Ghost-Nick at Juliette's house. Nope, I LOVED that storyline about Juliette, no meaning. But with all the CGI they used for making Nick "ghostly" they haven't had enough money to create the season1-hair he had? They put him in the clothes he weared in the Pilot, and I'm sure, it was a redo of that scene when Nick is the first time inside the trailer, looking through the book on the table, when Juliette came in too. What was so difficult to a) cut that Nick out of the scene? The most time he was barely visible so that wouldn't make any difference, or b) film the scenes with David but, what I said, redo the hair like he had in the Pilot. Yes, I know, I'm a Canon-Nazi here ...
- Hexenbiest-gypsy? Really? Do we really have to go this way?

Okay, the positive:
- Adalind! Sorry, I have to say, i didn't like her in season 1 very much, but since her "cat-trick" in 1.22 this woman is high on my fav-list and I'm becoming more and more a fan. It was an interesting talk she had. And, I was right! She still can see Wesen when they are on Woge :).
- The Wesen. Sorry, it is true, this one was the most horifiying so far. But I really loved the idea and, surprise, also the mask. And the way of healing ... well done!
- The fight. Blind!Nick vs. that Fly-Wesen was great and one of the best fights (maybe the best) the show had so far. What I personally like the most is simple that David was doing a lot of the fight himself. And I also think he did a good acting in playing blind (besides, that lenses were cool!).
- Rosalee/Juliette. A dream came true! I loved them both together and i hope of some more - and that they will finally become friends.
- Juliette. Bitsie did, in my opinion, a great job in acting the way she did. I could imagine feeling the same way in a familiar situation (losing memory, memory comes back ways too slowly and out of order). One of my favourite quotes was her answer of Rosalee's question, what the "ghost" did - "Creeping the hell out of me." And that she finally found the strength to confrote this "ghost" to find out who it was.
- the first time I really liked ... Renard! True, he only was there in one scene. But this scene was great and I loved Sasha's acting. Curious how the whole thing will finally turn out ...
- Amy is back! She's my favourite recurring and I love her comments, so partly snarky sometimes. It's always a great pleasure to see Sharon Sachs. And always a highlight :D
- Wu's oneliners. "Death by bookshelf" - I loved it! And I loved that he was worried after Nick was blinded. Aw, that was so cute!

I'm sure there's more, but I'm still tired and want to eat something now. So, that it was for now from me. Loved the episode
bittersweettwit: Monroe thoughtfulbittersweettwit on March 23rd, 2013 09:54 pm (UTC)
I posted my thoughts on this episode on my LJ here http://bittersweettwit.livejournal.com/8162.html
batty_gal: olivia popebatty_gal on March 24th, 2013 02:00 am (UTC)
Watched it late, but LOVED the episode. I loved how the sister kicked the villain's ass off the stairs and into that china cabinet, and THEN took him out in the end. I want to keep her, lol.
Corvus cornix: corvus cornixfourth_moon on June 3rd, 2013 12:52 am (UTC)
> I loved how the sister kicked the villain's ass

Agree. There must be half a dozen scenes in crime / police-procedure shows where the girl victim of the week is under attack and I am praying for her to grab that knife, grab that vase, smash him over the head, keep smashing instead of running away and giving the bad guy time to get to his feet again... and now for once, my prayers were answered.

And best of all: as realistically as one could ask for! She kept her head, protected her eyes, got lucky with that kick that send the villain into the cupboard, didn't suddenly develop kung-fu abilities for no apparent reason - I loved those in Nick's mother, but in a Grimm those abilities make sense - was clever enough to arm herself and human enough to be shocked, frightened, nervous and crying.

I think this show really does a good job on writing female characters. It irks me all the more that Juliette has a running "you slowly go nuts and the rest of the cast watches and does nothing about it" theme this season. At least Renard is trying to help her. Seriously, if and when Juliette finally learns what is going on and what Nick kept from her, I hope she chews his head off. And maybe jumps Renard's bones and becomes the next queen. She'd make a fantastic queen.
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